LanceDoggo that you that is precisely what I am saying. The most rational thing is the end the site and take zero losses, but we are sentimental beings and don’t always do the most rational thing. I know this is not the most reassuring thing but we basically made the difficult decision to keep the site running, but at less of a loss. And out of principle we can’t take money and not offer the same level of content as we used to.

This no more sales, but less losses. And we can’t at least afford to keep FV running. And again, money is not the only factor. But it still is one. No one can suffer doing something AND lose a lot of money and be expected to keep doing it without either changing or quitting.

And no, we cannot sell the site because no one would want to buy a losing investment, we would still want fair value for the assets, and perhaps more significantly, even if and agreement was made, it would likely be voided by prior contracts.

Anyway you are so good with numbers Lance. :). Thank you.

hollystar24 To try and help out a little... I'm going to use some numbers completely out of thin air and are only for the example. They are not the actual numbers of the website, as obviously I have no way of knowing what they are.

I think what he's basically saying is that paying the artists every month for new items lets say costs $100.
Then, the costs of keeping the site up and running costs $100.
Lets say that FD and Merch sales average about $30 a month.

This means the site is operating at a loss of $170 every month... Which he pays out of pocket. Aka, his own money. Not money from anywhere else.

By cutting both FD and Merch sales, as well as cutting the artists... the site now operates at a loss of $100 per month. That's $70 less every month he has to pay himself out of pocket.

So the move to F2P saves him costs every month, but does mean that there's no longer any new content.

Obviously my numbers are completely BS, but hopefully the concept gets across of why they're making the choices that they are... Does it make complete logical sense? No, but at least the website is still being paid for.

I agree this is still very worrying... But it's the explanation that he has for your question.

so um hey which is it quinn the money from the FD and merch store doesn't fund the site or it does fund the site CAN'T be both and running a site at a loss generates well loss and isn't a financially sound investment for a site to continue for a long time makes it worse when you want to go to a F2P content site that's slowly becoming more and more unprofitable to keep propping up with money if the net loss outweighs the net gain.

Genuinely, you can’t expect players to NOT be asking uncomfortable questions when you, as the OWNERS, have left all of the player base in the dark about the livelihood of the site for so long that most of us just quit.
Hiding comments and getting snarky only makes the admin responsible for answering these questions look either out of the loop on their own site, or wholly unprepared to be asked the nitty and gritty things that the player-base *actually* wants to know,

A lot of us have been here from the beginning, and have a lot of time spent here. You brushing off the questions or hiding them and form muting people reads like your intention is to drive off the last of the user base here. :/ and that’s certainly a choice to make.

I'd be stunned if this site made it to new years honestly. With the back lash and hidden comments and not-answers from mods and staff it's looking pretty bad.

There's been lots of petsites that disappeared for similar reasons, Kingdom sky anyone? Tales of Ostlea?

at best Furvilla ends up turning into Eldemore. Though Goatlings isn't doing too great either right now.

@ OumaFox

Furvilla is not profitable. Yes any income we do take in (FD sales, ad revenue, etc) DID go to directly go to pay for costs to run Furvilla. Sadly it was never near enough to cover the costs. The majority came from my own personal funds. All funds FV generated did help because they decreased the losses. However it has become increasingly unsustainable.

I suppose I understand that it is counter intuitive that we would stop trying to generate funds. But to summarize, we are cutting the costs significantly come 2027, and we recognize there would be no justification to sell FD if we plan to stop selling new content a year later. The only reason we are ending FD sales a year earlier is to give players and our artist time to adjust. We are essentially funding 2026 with our own personal cash. To be frank, FD sales never was close to covering much larger cost of artwork, so we will actually be losing less money come 2027.

We are literally losing money to keep this site running. To suggest otherwise is simply false.

If money made on the fde shop, and merch shop didn't go to the site funds. Then where did it all go? People who pay the fde shop and merch buy it to support the site to keep going. Are you saying our money we gave to support the site has been going elsewhere. This is starting scare me. This feels like Fer.al all over again. Where owners used our money to support something else and not the game we thought we was supporting to keep going. At the time I baught FD to support the site. If it never funded the server. Where did it all go.

Varinis that is a good question thank you for pointing that out. I will need to look into that!

On the topic of the new bazaar items, where are the paintie bases for the stickers? cound the scorpion but can't find the new robo stickers

Merch and FD sales do not fund the site to pay for content. The site always ran at a loss. You can question the motives but the fact is we wanted to keep the site going even at massive personal financial loss.

Ending sales will be more than offset by scaling back on the cost of content. But remember the real cost to us was the time. This was never about money.